Foxit Read 7.3.0.118 Classic toolbar missing

[jols]

Hi all and the foxit team,

I just registered to the forum specifically to [also] post against the ribbon only. Horrible stuff.

Please foxit, offer us the choice to get back to the standard toolbar.
Since foxit developped this ribbon thing, the very first thing i was doing when installing was getting back to the classic toolbar.
By the number of pages/posts in this topic (with some people registering to the forum just for that) I'm sure many not posting in here having been doing it too.

I will never use ribbons apps, and i'm sure that some sensible developpers will get back to earth and keep things simple and working as requested by ... users.
How crap apps have gone since the tablets and co era. Computers still are around, and even more when it's about being productive. Please consider both users !

As many, i'll be back to the last good version of foxit reader then, in the wait for a solution from foxit or from somewhere else.

As one has said : classic toolbar, no cloud = great.

[lyndi_wu]

jols

May I suggest you to use the latest version 7.2.8 which has the classic mode, you could download it from the following link:

http://cdn01.foxitsoftware.com/pub/foxit/reader/desktop/win/7.x/7.2/en_us/FoxitReader728.1124_prom_enu_Setup.exe

And your comments about the classic toolbar mode missing in version 7.3 has been updated to PHANTOM-5994. Thank you.

[amricom]

WHY the ribbon? Only because of MS? WHY give a kick in the ass to all those who are working professionally with their PCs for a long time? WHY change a running system? WHY make it worse? WHY??? Since I don't want to switch back to an outdated version I already said goodbye to Foxit because Foxit said goodbye to the classic menu. Bringing back the classic menu would bring me back to Foxit...

[richell_huang]

WHY the ribbon? Only because of MS? WHY give a kick in the ass to all those who are working professionally with their PCs for a long time? WHY change a running system? WHY make it worse? WHY??? Since I don't want to switch back to an outdated version I already said goodbye to Foxit because Foxit said goodbye to the classic menu. Bringing back the classic menu would bring me back to Foxit...

We are very sorry to hear that, but we respect it and we have already forwarded your comment to our PM team for future reference,

[Arctic Haze]

I dropped in to see whether the FoxIt developers have seen the light. Sadly not.

However I am amused how the line of the forum moderators evolved from "you will get used to the Ribbon" to "we are very sorry".

Nice. Good. But not good enough.

[markh]

Just checking in to see if Foxit has provided a way to dump the sh*tty ribbon UI. I've reverted to an earlier version and have stopped updates. But this puts me at a security risk. Please put the classic UI back--or make the ribbon programmable enough so that you can make it look like the classic UI.

What is a good UI: 1) physically small 2) Marquee zoom, full page, full width and zoom out 3) Snapshot image capture 4) Select text 5) open files and recent files 6) save and save as. Done. That's it. Attached is the way I like to set up the toolbar.

The ribbon toolbar in Office has done more to lower my productivity than anything else in my work environment. Please don't add to the downhill slide.

[krzaq]

Found this thread months ago, decided to check in if anything changed. Apparently not.

Look Foxit, not only you completely disregard my settings (I always want to read in single-continuous mode, is this so fucking hard to understand?!), install bloatware/crapware along with your software, but now you're forcing bad UI on me. What's next, metro?

I began using it as an alternative to Adobe Reader. Now, you've become Adobe. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[RSmith]

THIS TOPIC OVERWHELMINGLY DOMINATES THE FORUM, both in number of posts objecting to stupid "ribbons", and number of views! Of the many incompetent boondoggles Microsoft dumped on us over the years, the ribbon ranks high along with such classic blunders as no start menu. A "Ribbon" is cumbersome junk that prevents fluid operation even if you are familiar with it. WHY WAS IT NOT OBVIOUS that removal of the classic interface is a foolish move? Do Foxit Software designers not use computers themselves? Like so many others, I like what Foxit has done, but I will be switching to other pdf software if you do not quickly correct this.

[cherry]

Hi guys,

You may also refer to the following to understand why Foxit change from the classic UI to the ribbon UI:
Better user interfaces and the costs of change

We've had some recent complaints about dropping support for our older UI in recent releases. Operating systems and application software user interfaces have evolved over the years. It is always in the name of progress and productivity, but it often poses a problem for those of us who are used to the old way. Backwards compatibility helps bridge the gap and keep almost everyone happy. But backwards compatibility cannot go on forever: new features can sometime not be worked into old UIs, and engineering and support costs eventually outweigh customer benefit.

One of the more drastic overhauls of UI in the Windows world came nine years ago with the release of the ribbon interface in Microsoft Office 2007. I remember how frustrating it was to try to find things that had changed. Now, of course, it is second nature and when I see images of earlier Office UIs, I laugh.

Foxit started offering a ribbon UI five years ago in our 5.0 version release. In the 6.x release, we made ribbon the primary UI and we gradually stopped adding new features in the old UI. In 2014, we started shipping our OEM builds without the old UI option at all. And in 7.x, we started dropping the old UI in our standard products.

Our research shows that when we offered a choice, over 90% of users were using the newer ribbon UI. We knew that we couldn’t support both UIs forever, and we knew that when we dropped the old UI it would upset some long-time customers, and it was a tough decision. The problem is that it takes much engineering and support effort to keep both UIs.

If you want to know more, you might want to read the Wikipedia article on the ribbon interface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbon_(computing), and just for giggles, you might want to check out this scholarly research on User Acceptance of the Microsoft Ribbon User Interface: http://www.wseas.us/e-library/confer.../DNCOCO-25.pdf.

[TheRealRaptor]

Cherry - your argument is flawed. When you "offered" a choice, you had set the default to ribbon and made it hard to find the way back to the classic UI. 90% of users will just accept the default assuming that's how things have to be. That means you did NOT gain 90% of users to the new interface; you LOST 10% of users who insisted on the BETTER classic UI. You would have kept the 90% no matter what; instead you are have lost 10% of your market, some of it for good with users running to non-ribbon interfaces as in the best pdf reader in the world, Sumatra.

If you had made the default the classic UI, you would have found the 90% using it and likely almost all of the more-tech-savvy users staying with it as well. In other words, 99% would be using the classic, only a few staying with the ribbon after trying the "improved" ribbon.

And re your first statement, "Better user interfaces," I fail to understand by what measure the ribbon could ever be better.

I switched happily to Sumatra two months ago, and only checked back today to see if there was any progress in reversing your new version downgrade.

... don't know if I'll ever check back again ...

[Sumatra_pdf_User]

Cherry - your analysis is flawed; i.e. it you are telling a lie. When you "offered a choice" you set the default to ribbon and made it hard to find the classic. Only the more tech-savvy persisted until they found their way back to the superior classic UI. If you had set the default to classic, 99% would still be using it today. Your 90% of ribbon users represents a 10% LOSS of users who REJECTED the effectively forced upgrade. This "upgrade" was a FAILURE. Why can't you see that? I haven't seen any ribbon users posting here in defence of the ribbon ... that should tell you something.

ps: I see you are still censoring my former logins that were critical of the ribbon. Democracy in action.

[krzaq]

One of the more drastic overhauls of UI in the Windows world came nine years ago with the release of the ribbon interface in Microsoft Office 2007. I remember how frustrating it was to try to find things that had changed. Now, of course, it is second nature and when I see images of earlier Office UIs, I laugh.

Yes, it is frustrating. Now when I see the crappy ribbon-UI of new MS Office products, I happily turn back to my Libre Office. You think you can force users to switch to inferior UI? Well, there's a point where users will vote with their feet. It may not have been ribbon in office, which at least minimally makes sense, but it definitely was metro UI in Win 8.

Obviously, arguing with you is pointless, since your job forces you to spout the mindless pr drivel in support of the recent changes, and it's not like I was a paying customer, so I'll just say this:
Thank you, Foxit Reader for all the wonderful years and farewell.

[Lado]

Dear Cherry,
I do understand you have to defend the undefendable if you want to get your paycheck from Foxit regularily. I just do not understand why you took upon yourself to insult our intelligence!

If you laugh when you see classic UI, I really do feel sorry for you. Ribbon interface belongs to same line of 'achievements' with likes of MS Bob, Clippy, Metro interface. The links praising the ribbon interface you provided is just self serving bullshit!

Ever since Office 2007 I stopped paying MS for crappy bloated software and have turned elsewhere fo superior software more functional, cheaper and sometimes even free! And I am just one of many. When I look around I see many MS Office users who use it just because they are forced to by the companies they work for. Many of tem are offered by their employers to get Office at their home at no cost to them. Almost no one takes the offer.

It is sad that Foxit is going with its software the same way as MS, i.e. from quick and lean product like the early versions of Foxit reader to current multimegabyte monster screwed up with idiotic UI.
As I said earlier: Foxit has no respect for its own products, nor for its customers. Telling lies and insulting us is certainly wrong way of fixing your faults and mistakes!

[cherry]

Updated your comments to Feedback ID#: PHANTOM-5994.

[Sumatra_pdf_User]

Updated your comments to Feedback ID#: PHANTOM-5994.

Cherry - enough with the updates going in ... how about some responses coming back !!
I notice you didn't defend in this post; have you come over to our side (I bet you use Classic on your home computer!! )